rights movement. being on the wrong side of giving women the right to vote. being on the wrong side of interracial marriage. at the end of the day, america is moving towards giving gay and lesbians, gay and lesbian americans the same rights to marry that all americans enjoy. and that is where the country is heading. that is a bow that cannot be untied no matter what the republican party does. >> mckay, it looks like the mormon church might also be moving at this point. they've got this new website out, sort of explaining a little more in detail their view on gay marriage and really urging a tremendous amount of tolerance, i think. what are your thoughts on that? >> yeah, this new website is mormons and gays.org. and it represents a pretty significant effort to reach out to gay mormons in particular and the broader gay community. you remember in 2008, the mormon church urged its members to get heavily involved in passing proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in california. and ever since then, the r